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Katie: Hiya and welcome to the Wellness Mama podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and this episode is all about letting youngsters paved the way, about embracing crucial pondering and the altering nature of schooling, all by means of the lens of youngsters cooking within the kitchen. And I actually liked this interview that went in quite a lot of totally different instructions. I’m right here with Lisa Jendza, who was a marketing consultant for HP and she or he witnessed what she calls the decline in crucial pondering and launched into a journey to assist coach adults and now kids on how one can take their energy again and assume extra critically.
And just like her grownup detox program, her cooking lessons are an experiential option to create lasting change and extra crucial pondering and resulting in extra youngsters who’re extra empowered, revered and given the liberty to discover. She opens up dialogue round what it means to be a frontrunner, how youngsters are affected by peer strain with regards to what’s thought-about regular in meals and way of life selections, and far more in her applications known as Freedom Kitchen, which is a judgment-free zone the place she helps youngsters discover the braveness to discover totally different elements and finally, how one can be leaders of their very own well being and happiness out and in of the classroom.
And this was a extremely enjoyable interview. I feel it’ll resonate for many households. We discuss her journey, how actions converse louder than phrases, however expertise trumps motion, how she teaches life classes by means of kitchen abilities, the significance of experiments, how failure and perfection are each not allowed, how one can shift mindset by means of meals experiences, how youngsters are so able to understanding and making good selections about meals and about life.
We discuss proper brain-focused approaches to schooling, how cooking is a good entire mind expertise with each proper and left mind actions, how our youngsters’ futures will look very totally different than we will predict and how one can assist them put together, how one can create extra alternatives for proper mind studying in youngsters, and a lot extra. I very a lot loved this interview, and so let’s be part of Lisa. Lisa, welcome. Thanks a lot for being right here.
Lisa: Oh, thanks a lot for having me, Katie. It’s an honor.
Katie: I’m very excited to talk with you as a result of I feel we now have quite a lot of alignment in a few of our beliefs and I feel you’ve such an exquisite method of explaining and educating it that’s actually related, particularly to youngsters and the vast majority of the folks listening are dad and mom. So I feel that is going to be very relevant to many, lots of the folks listening. And I feel for some background for this episode, as a result of we’re going to get to delve deep into the work that you just do now. And I do know this has not at all times been the work that you just do, however that you just additionally, what perhaps what led to a few of this, at the very least from researching your bio is noticing a decline in crucial pondering after which taking a look at how one can create options for that. And as a homeschooling mother and an entrepreneur, that is one in all my first ideas of life and of parenting is how can we really nurture these abilities that can serve our youngsters in no matter they encounter in grownup life and creativity and significant pondering prime that record in our home. And so I like that this was the impetus for you, however I might love to listen to about a few of your background and what led to that bounce.
Lisa: Properly, let me simply say that I honor you and respect you and the entire homeschool dad and mom on the market. I didn’t homeschool my youngsters. They did undergo the general public faculty system. I used to be a company data expertise marketing consultant. For a few years, I used to be in operations, community operations. Most years, GM being my shopper. So I used to be accountable for protecting meeting traces working after which protecting the OnStar software working. And so if you happen to can think about, I used to be on name 24/7 and with the calls for of my job, I raised my youngsters on packing containers and drive-throughs and I trusted the college system. I used to be a product of the college system and a number of faculty levels.
And alongside the best way, I undoubtedly advanced. So I don’t assume that there’s a proper or fallacious reply. What I love to do now’s encourage dialog, provoke some thought round a number of the selections we’re making as a result of I feel a number of the selections we make are on autopilot as a result of it’s simply what we do, proper? It’s simply what society does. And that’s what I discovered as I used to be in my consulting profession. The solutions that I might get from folks is, properly, it’s simply at all times been performed this manner. And I feel I used to be placed on this planet to truly problem the established order. So I moved from difficult the established order and IT Consulting to actually type of all areas of life. And the best way I take a look at it’s now I’m serving to to develop future leaders.
Katie: Properly, and I like the work you do. And I’m so glad we’re attending to have this dialog as a result of that was my journey as properly. And the rationale that I ended up homeschooling, I’ve talked about this a bit bit earlier than, however was when my oldest was 5, making an attempt to ask higher questions. And I like that you just introduced that up. I feel after we ask higher questions, we clearly get higher solutions. However I checked out him at nearly 5 years previous and thought, what’s going to finest put together him for grownup life? Realizing that what I do in grownup life didn’t exist as a profession possibility after I was 5. So nobody may have anticipated to immediately put together me for that. And realizing his future could possibly be in who is aware of, instructions that haven’t even been invented but. So what finest prepares youngsters for that?
And such as you, I labored backwards and realized it was these foundational abilities. It wasn’t data down, it was abilities up. And it was the mindset that they’ve as they develop up. It’s these foundational issues that they will construct on into no matter they find yourself pursuing of their grownup life. And I feel the best way that you just carry this in with youngsters can be actually, actually distinctive and in addition tremendous relevant. Such as you, I used to be additionally a product of the college system. So there was undoubtedly some crucial pondering that needed to occur for me and a few dismantling of assumptions that existed for me. However speak extra about the way you then made that swap after which what you’re doing now to actually nurture that ability, as a result of I feel that is so foundational and necessary.
Lisa: Yeah, properly, phrases don’t educate, experiences do. And that was one thing additionally I didn’t actually perceive when my youngsters have been younger. And we will inform our youngsters to do one thing totally different, however on account of mirror neurons, they’re going to observe what we’re doing. So one factor we’ve all heard is, you understand, actions converse louder than phrases, however what speaks louder than actions is experiences.
And so I really moved into serving to adults detox first. And so I ended up buying a wellness spa and I began educating detoxing about 16 years in the past. And as many lectures as I gave, I noticed the identical factor that I noticed in Company America and other people’s eyes would glaze over. Like they weren’t comprehending all the pieces I used to be making an attempt to show them. And I acknowledged this must be an expertise. And so over time, I created a program that I might take folks by means of, a three-month detox program that’s an experiential course of. Then they may have their very own epiphany, their very own awakening, come to their very own conclusions. They didn’t want me to inform them. They wanted to determine it out.
And I take a look at it like bumpers in a bowling lane, you understand, like bumper bowling. So I put this system in place with the bumpers and I might allow them to bump up towards the bumpers in order that they may determine what was proper for them. Properly, now that I’m educating youngsters, which actually was divine intervention, it’s actually the identical idea. I put collectively a program the place they bump up towards the bumpers, the place we get within the kitchen and we expertise, and I ask them questions. And the one motive I’m nonetheless educating this program is due to the questions that they ask me. They’ve confirmed to me simply how clever they’re, how deep pondering they’re. They’ve confirmed to me that they’ve management capacity. And due to the questions that they ask me, I proceed to show this program.
Katie: I like that. And I like that you just heart it within the kitchen as a result of I feel with my background in well being and diet as properly, I feel that is also a foundational ability and that many individuals make it to maturity with out figuring out how one can prepare dinner even. And I feel that like several schooling and experiences to your level that we can provide them at an early age, that additionally helps nurture how autonomous they really feel and the way ready and succesful they really feel, which I feel that ability interprets into each space of life as properly.
And I bear in mind early on realizing with my youngsters too is that I began with the primary precept that after they have been able to doing one thing for them, I used to be not going to do it for them as a result of I felt like that was an insult to their capacity, to their functionality, and that was undermining their capacity to develop inside that realm. And so I’ve held on to that as my youngsters have reached all these numerous ages. And definitely there’s quite a lot of letting go on the mother aspect for that. And it’s superb how briskly they develop up.
However I might love some examples of the way you do that with the children, particularly like what are a few of these higher questions that they’ve requested you? What are a number of the methods you construct that in for them? And what are some ways in which households listening can begin to take that strategy in their very own properties to begin to give their youngsters the identical expertise?
Lisa: Yeah, properly, first I might like to say that this can be a judgment-free zone. I didn’t educate my youngsters how one can prepare dinner, and I figured that out when my daughter went off to school. And so anybody who comes into my program, I at all times begin with this, this can be a judgment-free zone. And you will see that that my kitchen is infused with love. and I’ve, I maintain a really protected area energetically in order that these coming into that area with me can be taught and develop and experiment. We have to experiment. We now have to strive various things. It’s the one method that we be taught and we develop. So there’s no such factor as failure and there’s no such factor as good.
So I inform the children, I even document cooking movies, Katie, the place I’ve made a mistake within the recipe and I preserve it within the video and I say, oh, look, you guys, I made a mistake, however my streusel nonetheless turned out. And the way about we make it a second time? And I say, you understand, I would determine this time to make use of half the quantity of sugar. And so I’m exhibiting them how one can experiment. Now, in each class are choices. I speak to them about you possibly can use this, or you possibly can use this, or you possibly can use this. And what the children have mentioned to me, I’ve had highschool college students which have come to me and mentioned, that is the perfect class I’ve ever taken. Since you don’t simply give us issues to memorize. You present us all of our choices, and also you inform us to seek out what’s finest for us. Nobody has ever performed that. Which that’s outstanding to me. I wasn’t skilled as a trainer, and but I’ve households and college students coming to me saying that they’ve gleaned extra or gained extra from this class. These forms of feedback, after which the questions that I get, I’ll have a scholar that can cease at a station. Each class is a bit totally different, how I set it up, and take a look at me, I can inform the wheels are turning, and I’m like, what’s your query? What are you pondering?
And so I simply pull their questions out of them in the event that they don’t blurt them out. And so they say… Properly, if making jell-o is that this simple, why would we purchase the moment stuff on the grocery retailer? And I say, oh my gosh, that’s such an excellent query. Why would we purchase the moment stuff on the grocery retailer? So everybody go ask your households who is aware of how one can make jell-o and educate them as a result of I feel we forgot. And the meals corporations would love us to assume that it’s onerous and that they must do it for us. Um, we made lemon meringue pie and I teased the children. We received performed making our pies and I mentioned, Oh my gosh, we forgot the yellow meals dye. And so they all regarded round, checked out their recipe and so they’re like, I adopted the recipe after which they checked out their pies and it clicked. And so they mentioned, “Miss Lisa, our pie is yellow”. I do know! So why would they ever put meals dye, yellow meals dye, in one thing that’s yellow? I imply, I’ve had 9 yr olds which have mentioned to me, I’m by no means consuming chemical substances or meals dyes once more, and I’m going to inform all my pals to not. And actually made the connection that if all of them cease consuming meals dyes, the businesses received’t use meals dyes.
These youngsters, these are issues they carry up. These are realizations they’ve. So I carry quite a lot of little enjoyable experiences into class and I simply make it enjoyable and humorous. I imply, as a result of… I’m fairly offended about our meals provide. I’m fairly offended about the place issues are, Katie, but when we will’t make… I don’t need to say like make enjoyable of it or make mild of it. I simply don’t know how one can get by means of to the children every other method than to have some satire.
Katie: Properly, and I feel you touched on one thing so necessary. And I’ve talked a bit bit about this too, however I’m excited to go deeper on the mindset element of this as a result of I, such as you notice the worth of experimentation and schooling and the way succesful youngsters are from typically a lot youthful than we consider understanding this stuff and really making these choices themselves. And so folks, after they ask, you understand, how do you retain your youngsters from consuming regardless of the meals is or preserve them from eager to do these issues? My reply is normally that I really don’t. I consider in schooling and really open conversations and having them perceive and have the instruments to grasp from a younger age how the inputs they put of their mouth impacts their physique.
However I additionally don’t need to diminish their autonomy and making selections round that as a result of I consider that if they’re given the suitable instruments, they’ll make good selections more often than not. And so I would like, and to your level with experimentation, I additionally need them to have the liberty to make selections that I wouldn’t have made for them typically and really feel the outcomes of these selections. So in the event that they’re not in my home, I’m not controlling what they eat. And I discover that particularly as they grow old, they nearly at all times make good selections as a result of they’re allowed to make the alternatives and so they really feel the possession of that. Whereas if we externally management that for them, they by no means get to step into the precise possession and the understanding. And such as you speak in regards to the experimentation, and I like that you just say there’s no failure and there’s no good. I feel reframing that alone and taking away that side of failure lets them really feel a lot safer in experimentation. And I might guess your lessons additionally really feel so enjoyable due to that, as a result of it’s an experiment, it’s an journey, it’s not this inflexible container that they’re dwelling in.
Lisa: Yeah, yeah, we do quite a lot of experimentation even at school and we now have errors at school, proper? We now have eggs on the ground, we now have an excessive amount of salt, we now have… My class really is a judgment-free zone, and the children know there’s nothing that they will do this’s fallacious. And nearly at all times the meals remains to be edible.
Katie: Yeah, I like that. I feel from a mother or father’s perspective, it may be onerous typically, particularly at these younger ages when they’re so curious and really a lot need to do these issues. It may be onerous handy over the reins and allow them to have these experiences. I like not labeling them as failures, however I do know it may be irritating for fogeys when the eggs fall on the ground or when elements get wasted. However I additionally really feel like these are such investments as a result of they pay dividends as the children grow old, to start with, of their mindset and the way they really feel about their capacity to do issues and to deal with challenges and to strive new issues.
But additionally having seen that play out with my youngsters, the truth that my youngsters made their very own kitchen system and now handle the kitchen solely nearly on their very own, and so they prepare dinner most meals as a result of they get pleasure from it. And my son will watch YouTube movies and determine how one can do reductions and the way to verify the wine has cooked off however that it prompts the flavour profile and all this stuff. And I used to be like, I wasn’t doing that at 15, however they’ve this experimentation and so they like it. And the end result for me is that now I don’t must prepare dinner dinner most days as a result of my youngsters need to do it. I’m not forcing them to do it.
Lisa: Sure. Yeah, I inform folks I’ve eight and 9 yr olds that prepare dinner dinner for his or her households. And I’ve had dad and mom come to me and say, we thought we thought she was a choosy eater, however now we notice we’re in all probability the choosy eaters as a result of she’ll eat something and she or he needs to make all the pieces she’s discovered in your class. And so I do present like a grocery record for the dad and mom and I present video, all of my lessons are prerecorded each faculty yr. So I present video classes after which additionally video messages to the dad and mom to maintain them on the identical web page as a result of I already know their youngsters are going to need the more healthy choices. So I share with the dad and mom all of the elements we use as a result of I say they be taught in my kitchen however they dwell in yours.
Katie: I like that. Are there any suggestions for organising this sort of setting in a house? These programs are movies, so households can combine them. Are there any suggestions for organising the kitchen setting to be extra kid-friendly or organising the power and the mindset across the kitchen that makes youngsters really feel extra included and capable of step into that?
Lisa: I at all times encourage dad and mom to have some utensils, their very own cookbook, allow them to really feel like they’ve their very own area within the kitchen, perhaps a drawer with their utensils. However greater than that, it’s simply actually the mindset. And once more, being fully clear, I didn’t have endurance when my youngsters have been younger. And so it was tough for me. I didn’t need them within the kitchen with me. I not often cooked in any case due to my profession.
So I feel it’s higher to have another person educate them. I inform households on a regular basis, if you happen to don’t have the endurance for it, no worries. Ship them to my class as a result of at this level in my life, I do have the endurance for this. And it looks as if after they be taught from another person, perhaps simply in my case, as a result of I didn’t have quite a lot of endurance when my youngsters have been younger. However after they be taught from another person, it turns into extra their thought and also you don’t have the parent-child, you understand, combativeness, they go house and so they inform the dad and mom like, I need to use coconut sugar as a result of it’s half the glycemic index. After which the dad and mom are calling me saying, okay, the place do I discover coconut sugar, when it’s the child’s thought, when it’s the kid’s thought. I feel the perfect factor we will do is simply give them area and help.
Katie: Yeah, I like that. And I feel there’s additionally like the sensible aspect as properly. Like my kitchen has modified lots over time from the years after I solely had children and I used to be doing the entire cooking to now the higher cupboards get used very not often and the decrease cupboards are full of stuff as a result of I would like all the pieces to be reachable for them.
And I additionally realized like, I wished to not child proof, however ensure that all the pieces was accessible to them. So I attempted to make all the pieces as sturdy as attainable, reduce glass after they’re youthful in order that they don’t have these experiences of constructing a real human mistake of dropping one thing after which feeling dangerous about it. I wished them to have the ability to work together solely with the kitchen as a lot as attainable.
I additionally assume you’re proper. You touched on one thing actually necessary, which is that whereas dad and mom will be the first and most necessary academics of their youngsters, we’re actually not the one academics. And sometimes, particularly at totally different ages, they will hear one thing higher from different folks, particularly people who find themselves very passionate and have quite a lot of experience in a specific space. And so I feel that is one which I feel you’ve a really priceless useful resource for due to that. And I’m noticing this with my youngsters at numerous ages, even my youngsters realizing, I feel they do nonetheless really pay attention and listen, however they’re at an age the place in addition they pay extra consideration to their coaches or to different folks they work together with. And I’m tremendous grateful that I’ve this superb community of those protected adults who assist be nice influences for them. And I feel anytime we will usher in somebody who’s one other nice perspective, that’s simply an asset to our youngsters.
Lisa: Yeah, I bear in mind my youngsters coming house and telling me all the pieces their pals’ dad and mom mentioned and placing far more inventory into what their pals’ dad and mom mentioned. And likewise, these dad and mom would say that their youngsters held on each phrase I mentioned. So there’s one thing about that age the place they’re searching for validation exterior of their dad and mom. They should hear it once more from another person and so they’re actually searching for their very own independence.
So that they’re searching for some sort of validation and steering in order that they will turn into impartial from their dad and mom. So I at all times say, your youngster won’t ever come house from my class as making you fallacious. Let me be the opposite mother. What greater than doubtless will occur is that they’ll come house and so they’ll validate one thing you’ve instructed them earlier than.
Katie: Completely. I feel that’s actually such a priceless perspective. What ages do you discover folks at? Which ages of youngsters sometimes take your lessons and do you’ve lessons for all types of various ages, together with like extra superior ones for older youngsters?
Lisa: Yeah, I educate ages 6 to 18. I begin them in my kitchen in first grade. I’ve quite a lot of requests for 4 and five-year-olds. So I get the DK and the Ok requests. It’s a bit difficult in my bodily kitchen as a result of most of my DKers or kindergartners want step stools and want much more supervision with regards to sharp objects and warmth. So I ask for them to not come to my kitchen till age six, however I do provide my at house videotaped programs for households to start out youthful than that.
And I do have a highschool management program that’s along with the cooking program the place we’re really speaking in regards to the supply of our meals. So it’s actually an issue resolution class the place we’re speaking in regards to the issues within the meals provide and within the ecosystem. Every thing from meals dyes or issues which might be performed in manufacturing all the best way again even to the supply of our meals and the chemical substances which might be sprayed on our soil killing the microbes and what’s killing the bees. And since Katie, I’ve discovered that by means of this class the children are able to pondering larger and I’m able to go deeper not solely with the questioning and the thought upsetting classes however having them take part within the options.
Katie: Yeah, I feel that’s so genius and that it roots it in one thing very relevant to them a number of instances per day. That’s such an integral a part of their expertise as kids in consuming, but in addition, such as you mentioned, it connects to the broader world round them, which they’re wired to be so interested in. And I feel that’s truthfully the right time as a result of such as you, I really feel like we have to increase innovators and resolution makers and that’s going to be, and this is the reason I’m so grateful to get to speak to mothers as a result of I feel mothers are such a pressure of nature. And we not simply have buying energy, despite the fact that we’re, in fact, the most important buying energy, however we’re immediately concerned with the subsequent era, which supplies us a extremely distinctive capacity to assist hopefully create options for the long run by serving to our youngsters turn into resolution makers for the long run.
And I feel it’s so sensible the best way you do that with a meals first strategy, as a result of that’s so relevant to youngsters at all ages, each child has to eat. And if you happen to can tie in these necessary issues to one thing they’re already experiencing and already doing and use it as a option to springboard them into understanding the broader world in a extra intricate method, I feel that’s going to pay dividends not simply in households, in fact, there too, however in society as a complete as these youngsters grow old.
Lisa: Sure, and that’s actually my objective. You already know, you introduced up a degree early on that your profession didn’t exist. You already know, 20, 30 years in the past. And I’ll say, I do know I’m older than you, however 40, 50 years in the past, well being teaching didn’t exist. I had no intention of changing into a well being coach. All of my levels are in enterprise and administration. As a matter of reality, I used to be very specialised in expertise and administration. And I wished to enhance the world, I believed.
I really feel like I’m enhancing the world extra now as a well being coach than I did in all these years in expertise. Now, some folks would possibly beg to vary as a result of they like that blue button of their automotive and so they can name OnStar. However in quite a lot of ways in which’s probably not contributing to the evolution of our planet, of our species. And quite a lot of issues have modified in my lifetime and they’ll proceed to alter in our youngsters’ lifetime.
And one of many issues that I’ve been imploring quite a lot of dad and mom to consider is that STEM lessons might not be your best option, after they can not compete with a pc. We actually want to have interaction. So quite a lot of STEM lessons are very heavy on the left mind, analytical, logical thoughts. The way in which we innovate is to make use of our proper mind, not our left mind. And our faculty system is about as much as be very left mind analytical. Which is why I didn’t perceive as they began decreasing and eradicating the humanities, why so many individuals have been upset with that, which I perceive now we’d like entry to the suitable mind.
Cooking is an exquisite expertise that’s entire mind integrative. So we use proper mind and left mind. So after I discuss having braveness, confidence and creativity, I’m transferring them on a continuum from one thing that’s logical, left mind, that’s what they’re used to, learn this course of and comply with it. After which I take them on a journey to creativity. Now, what else may we do with this? What if we lose all of the bees? Will we now have this meals? So we’re on a journey to create one thing new.
So I begin them within the left mind and take them over to the suitable mind. And we actually want entire mind actions for our youngsters. And I might even say we in all probability want much more proper mind actions than we’d like left mind. They’re getting loads of left mind actions. They’re not going to have the ability to write code higher than synthetic intelligence. So we’re going to must innovate. Their future will look totally different than what we will predict. The perfect factor we will do is give them the instruments to be wholesome, to be versatile, after which get out of their method, in order that they will create one thing new, one thing that we will’t envision.
Katie: That’s such an excellent level. And I feel that touches on one of many massive conversations taking place in society proper now’s as AI is changing into a lot extra outstanding, how is that going to alter all of our lives? And to your level, we will be unable to compete with computer systems on the issues computer systems are designed to do higher and that don’t have the slowdowns that human brains have. And I, such as you, have shared that concern of them taking quite a lot of these proper mind issues out of colleges.
So for fogeys listening, realizing the restrictions if their youngsters are in colleges. Clearly, cooking is a big first step and I like that you just clarify that as a complete mind exercise. What are another methods we will create alternatives for extra of that creativity and that proper mind exercise in our properties, in our youngsters’ lives? Another ideas for a way we may help them with that?
Lisa: Yeah. You already know, I’m going to say a number of the apparent issues that you just’ve in all probability instructed your viewers. Much less display screen time, much less, much less video games. We now have to get out and we now have to attach with nature, however we must be having dialog. It’s by means of dialog in my cooking lessons. I at all times say there’s a profit to taking my videotaped lessons at house as a result of the children get to prepare dinner in their very own kitchen from starting to finish. However there’s a profit to being within the kitchen with me. And quite a lot of that comes right down to dialog and neighborhood.
We’d like dialog and neighborhood as a result of that’s the place they hear the questions of the opposite college students. That’s the place they will ask questions, the place they will discover. And we have to do this in additional areas, not simply cooking. There are many areas the place we will become involved. I feel the children can get out and really do internships. So I’m bringing in a beekeeper who’s in his 20s who has mentioned that he would love to assist my college students study beekeeping. The extra experiential processes that they will do. Phrases don’t educate, experiences do. It’s the experiential processes that can provoke extra questions and extra exploration.
Katie: I like that you just’re bringing in a beekeeper. I’ve been a beekeeper since I used to be in all probability 13. And that’s one other space I feel we’re clearly dealing with some difficulties with our bee inhabitants on the planet. And so I feel the extra youngsters we now have concerned in understanding that, and I feel youngsters additionally naturally have a tendency to like studying about and interacting with bees. So I like that you just’re bringing that in as properly.
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You made me additionally consider in our household, we solely have a few line objects within the funds which might be primarily limitless. And that’s if they need books, I’m at all times completely happy to purchase them books, something they need to study, but in addition any type of artistic experimentation. I at all times attempt to help that in my youngsters as a lot as attainable, whether or not it’s they need to discover ways to sew, whether or not it’s they need to discover ways to pace resolve a Rubik’s Dice, or they need to be taught some new ability, or they need to construct one thing. I at all times attempt to give them the instruments to try this each time attainable as a result of I bear in mind how a lot I discovered and the way after I look again by myself childhood, I actually don’t bear in mind my finest day of taking exams in class, however I actually bear in mind my finest day of studying how one can do stained glass, for example, or studying how one can sew for the primary time or studying beekeeping. Like I bear in mind these issues so vividly and I can see now how they’ve formed different areas of my life with the abilities that crossed over, not even the direct experiences, however how a lot that’s rippled by means of.
So I like that you just’re even in your cooking lessons bringing in different disciplines as properly so youngsters get that publicity and that have. And I feel perhaps in these moments, that’s additionally could be these instances after they discover the factor they’re captivated with or that they love.
And I additionally actually consider that youngsters are pure sample makers. I received recommendation from a pal years in the past that each morning the children watched three TED talks on unrelated matters as a result of he mentioned youngsters are such pure sample makers. And if you happen to give them publicity to issues that aren’t usually associated, their brains will discover and create patterns and join dots. And I feel that’s additionally a giant step into that innovation and drawback fixing crucial pondering adults that we’d like on the planet. And so if you happen to give them issues that aren’t thought-about associated already, they could discover sample that different folks aren’t taking a look at and so they would possibly discover a distinctive option to apply one thing they study robotics, perhaps to the issue of plastic within the ocean or no matter it could be. However they only are so naturally wired for that at younger ages. And so I like that you just’re giving much more instruments that oldsters can use to assist in giving these youngsters these experiences.
Lisa: Sure, oh my gosh, I like that remark. It was a pure extension for me to go from educating them how one can make a cake with honey, to speak about what elements on this cake required us to have bees. As a result of most of them say honey, however we wanted the bees for the oranges, the almond flour, the pistachios. We wanted pollinators for extra than simply the honey. And so we will then have that larger dialog.
And so in my lessons, particularly with my older youngsters, we’re actually speaking in regards to the worry round local weather change as a substitute of being empowered to truly make a change. The place there’s quite a lot of worry and worry retains us in survival mode. And so my objective is to actually empower these youngsters to really feel empowered, however protected and like a contributor and their concepts matter as a result of all the pieces appears to be minimized. You already know, we hear that this drawback is way larger than any of us can tackle, however but the children may select of their era to do away with lawns and to plant clover to feed the pollinators. The most important killer of the bees is garden. All of us have a garden. You already know, I go searching, I’ve lived in my home 30 years and I’ve planted quite a lot of bushes, none of them fruit bearing. Not till simply final yr we planted raspberries and I simply planted edible bushes and a pair bushes at my son and my daughter’s homes. However why did we plant non-edible, inedible landscaping? These are issues that our youngsters can change and nature is plentiful. And we’ve been made to consider it’s so scarce.
And so we’re addressing all of that in my lessons, like, oh, these are so plentiful. Are you able to develop these in your state? You already know, I do know we will develop these in our state. And so I usher in quite a lot of classes about what does it take to develop a pear tree? Do you need to have a cross pollinator? Do you need to have two? How lengthy earlier than it bears fruit? So we’re speaking about that as we’re making pear galettes. As a result of that’s what solves the larger drawback and that’s what units them free. And my message at Freedom Kitchen is basically that they will set themselves free. I spotted that there was quite a lot of management, corporatocracy. I come out of company so I may see it firsthand. There was quite a lot of management and we forgot. And possibly not you since you’ve performed so good homeschooling and also you’ve taught your youngsters to be impartial. However I feel the vast majority of our society has turn into codependent and never impartial. So my objective is to create impartial youngsters and subsequent era.
Katie: Do you’ve any ideas for perhaps making that shift in mindset of parenting at totally different ages? As a result of I do know as my youngsters have grown, I’ve actually grown up with them and discovered at every degree. And I can look again so many instances and assume, oh, I want I had recognized that after they have been this age. Nevertheless it’s all been a studying journey.
However for individuals who perhaps have older youngsters and are perhaps recognizing a few of these indicators, are there issues we will do and shift even then that can assist our youngsters develop that crucial pondering and develop these foundational abilities earlier than they attain maturity? Or even when they’re already in maturity and we nonetheless have a relationship with them, issues that we will do to assist?
Lisa: Properly, you’re going to make me cry as a result of my youngsters are of their twenties. And so I feel each mother or father appears to be like again and says, I want I might have recognized. I want I might have performed this higher or that higher. And so there’s loads of issues that I look again on and need I might have recognized.
And so I actually dwell by the phrase from Maya Angelou, after we know higher, we do higher. That’s why I say this can be a judgment-free zone, as a result of we will solely do to the power of what we all know. So what we do is we begin the place we’re at as we speak. You already know the saying, the perfect time to plant an oak tree was 30 years in the past and the subsequent finest time is as we speak. So we begin the place we’re at.
Attempting to make a large change. Like we have been a household that ate out seven days per week. So making an attempt to shift, and my youngsters have been in center faculty after I made the shift in our family. I couldn’t do this in a single day. They’d simply insurgent. And at that time they have been already addicted. We have been all hooked on quick meals and junk meals. There’s a nice program for anybody who’s on processed meals dependancy. And the analysis of Joan Ifland, and she or he has a textbook with 2,000 analysis research in it of how we’re completely addicted. And people meals have been created to be addictive. So making an attempt to alter that in a single day will not be attainable. So that you begin one step at a time and that is in all probability why well being coach there’s so many well being coaches as a result of we coach folks by means of altering that.
Nevertheless it actually is a phased strategy. And I might simply say, the extra loving you will be with your self and along with your kids by means of that course of, relying on the place you’re at and the way a lot wants to alter, give your self some grace.
Katie: And I feel the sweetness there, I’ve heard this from so many households, is that youngsters are a lot extra adaptable too than adults that always when a complete household makes that swap, the children will really adapt sooner and their style buds will change and they’re typically capable of hearken to their our bodies extra rapidly and notice what feels good of their physique, what doesn’t, the issues that their physique wants and doesn’t. And so I feel that circles again to the sooner components of our dialog of after we are capable of give them that autonomy and that possession, they typically swap to creating good choices, I really feel like sooner than adults can as a result of typically, I do know I had that too, I had years of different consuming habits that I needed to un-pattern and getting used to these processed meals that I needed to un-pattern. Whereas youngsters, particularly in the event that they’re capable of be raised that method from the very starting, however even when they aren’t, I really feel like they adapt a lot extra rapidly.
And in addition that crosses over into all the pieces else we’re speaking about as properly in that youngsters adapt in each space of studying, I really feel like a lot extra rapidly. And I’ve discovered a lot from my youngsters. Hopefully I’ve additionally taught them lots, however I’ve discovered a lot from them. And it’s superb to see how succesful they’re of understanding issues and seeing patterns I don’t see and the way rapidly they adapt after they be taught new issues. So I at all times like to present that as encouragement for fogeys as a result of I do know it appears like it may be an uphill battle or very, very daunting if you happen to’re making that swap, such as you mentioned, solely from scratch. And I feel the child steps strategy is so sensible as a result of it makes it really feel like a way more light journey, but in addition don’t underestimate how rapidly your youngsters could be taught and adapt and take possession for that themselves.
Lisa: Yeah, oh my gosh, so properly mentioned. The children have taught me a lot. I like listening to you say that. That was one other, that was a part of my evolution too, as a mother, was realizing how a lot my youngsters may educate me. I wanted to be open to that, so I feel I had some conceitedness, and I used to be a really younger mother. And so I actually simply wasn’t, I wasn’t observant sufficient till my youngsters have been a bit older as to how a lot they may actually educate me.
However in my youngsters cooking lessons now, I’m simply so amazed. The children educate me always. It’s the one motive I’m nonetheless doing this. It really was divine intervention. I wasn’t wanting to do that. I’ve heard others say, like, I knew I wished to work with youngsters. I can’t say that I used to be actually searching for root trigger and my focus is on fixing the meals. And after I was requested to show the children cooking lessons, I used to be so impressed by the depth of their questions, their attentiveness and their need. And even after I misplaced my first location throughout COVID, I misplaced the placement that I had been educating in and the households requested me, please don’t go. And I mentioned, properly, you understand, if it’s time for me to maneuver on, I’ll, I’ll transfer on. And so they mentioned, please don’t go. We’ll discover a location for you. You should use our homes. They, the children need this schooling, and that’s why I proceed to show it. I do consider it’s their aggressive benefit. We take into consideration all of the issues to present our youngsters a aggressive benefit in life. That is it. It begins within the kitchen. Their freedom begins and ends within the kitchen.
Katie: I agree. And I feel that springboards additionally a bit bit into the dialog of the shifting of schooling in a extra broad sense, societally, which is actually additionally properly talked about. And I might like to get your tackle that as a result of I do know I used to be like, you employ the phrases a product of the college system. And I really opted out on the very finish, very near graduating faculty, I made a decision I not wished to take part in that after which began pursuing the issues I used to be really considering. Nevertheless it actually led to a special strategy with my youngsters.
So after I was rising up, I didn’t know that faculty was non-obligatory till I received there. I believed it was like thirteenth grade, and it was so ingrained that was the objective of childhood was to get into an excellent faculty. And I’ve taken such a special strategy with my youngsters. If something, I’m in all probability actively discouraging faculty and inspiring entrepreneurship or encouraging exploration and no matter they discover fascinating as a substitute. However I might love your perspective on that as a result of I feel one factor dad and mom are dealing with is we’re listening to, in fact, that the schooling system is altering, that faculty is altering. We hear of people that have a level and debt, however not a path and who perhaps aren’t haven’t mastered a few of these crucial pondering parts now at the same time as adults. So I might love any perspective you’re keen to share on that as a result of I feel that is actually relevant and related to quite a lot of dad and mom listening.
Lisa: Properly, I like that you just requested this query, as a result of I do consider that crucial pondering goes to be what units them aside. They’re not going to have the ability to out assume a pc. Quite a lot of jobs are going to turn into automated. Now I’ll share with the viewers that I graduated with my diploma in ‘97 in administration and data expertise. And we have been instructed that by 2017, all the pieces can be automated, that you’d order quick meals at a kiosk. You’d pay for it at a restaurant, at a kiosk. and that there can be robots making the meals.
Now that was both predicted or predictive planning on somebody’s half that all the pieces would turn into automated. And we have been instructed it was as a result of the child boomers can be retiring and that may be the final wave of the child boomers retiring. Nevertheless, 1999, I labored Y2K. So New 12 months’s Eve, 1999, I received to spend my night checking all of our techniques for the GM Truck Group. And proper after that, I learn Tom Friedman’s e-book, The World is Flat. And we have been going to a worldwide financial system. Now we now have folks all around the world. I had sturdy circuits to engineers all around the world to verify our techniques. So we already knew that we weren’t depending on the child boomers. So we had been instructed one thing in 1997 that in 1999, I noticed that wasn’t true.
So there’s quite a lot of issues I began placing collectively as a marketing consultant, proper? So when my dad was in faculty within the 60s, he was instructed that the US would turn into a service-based financial system. And its companies aren’t as priceless. So we now have offshored all of {our capability}. All of our merchandise are made in China. We signed NAFTA and despatched quite a lot of our manufacturing to Mexico. And other people aren’t placing two and two collectively right here, that what we’ve left for us right here is much less priceless. And we at the moment are depending on these different nations and so they may change the value at any time. So it could be 10 cents on the greenback as we speak and it could be $10 tomorrow. I imply, we’re not in command of any of that. And we now have left ourselves in a really susceptible place. We additionally import most of our meals. And the meals that we develop right here is all purchased by the Processed Meals Corporations. So it’s very tough to entry like actual meals, all of the grains that we develop, the wheat, the corn, the soy, that’s all purchased by the Processed Meals Corporations. So then you definitely’re actually left with nothing greater than processed meals on this nation.
There’s quite a lot of these knowledge factors that I throw out to string collectively as a result of after they go to school, they’re going to be skilled principally in a service. And what we’re seeing is that isn’t fairing properly for our financial system if we take a look at our GDP and we take a look at {our capability}. So I’m not essentially towards faculty, however I’m unsure what the worth, I don’t understand how priceless that’s. And so we receives a commission primarily based on our worth. You might be paid primarily based in your worth, not your diploma.
And I’d have this realization when my youngsters have been in highschool that I bear in mind coming house from one more private growth workshop. And I mentioned, you don’t must go to school. As a matter of reality, don’t go. And so they each checked out me like I used to be loopy. And so they’re like, we now have to go to school. I’m like, no, you don’t must go to school. So I’ve one which did as a result of she wished to be a social employee counselor and she or he has a calling, a large calling. So she went that route.
My different one didn’t go to school and really does very, very properly doing what he needs to do. And it didn’t require any faculty. So I actually assume that crucial pondering is important on all of our components proper now. Once I speak to adults, I typically say, I’ll sum it up with this transient story. I had a, after I had my Spa, I had a lady and her daughter each used to come back to me as purchasers. And the mom was very sad. And he or she was like counting down her years to retirement, however she was so sad as a result of her daughter didn’t go get a company job. And I mentioned, why would you like her in a company job? She’s like, properly, she wants the safety and the advantages. I mentioned, there’s no such factor anymore. And there’s no pensions anymore. And so that you’re pushing on her an outdated mannequin.
And I requested her in the future, I mentioned, are you cheerful? Since you say you need Alyssa to be completely happy, however you’re not completely happy. So we now have to be actually cautious proper now to not push our youngsters in any given path as a result of they’re those who will create the long run. We don’t need them recreating our… existence. It’s outdated. And so it’s actually tough as a mother or father, I feel, to step again and say, I’m simply going to provide the instruments that you just want and also you go determine it out.
Katie: Oh, so properly defined. And I’m very a lot in alignment with you about that. I feel we’re in, such as you’re speaking about, a really distinctive level in historical past when issues are shifting. And it actually is lots to navigate for fogeys. However I like issues like your instruments that make that. So it offers youngsters a concrete space of experimentation to be taught that and to hopefully have the boldness and the autonomy inside that to then switch that into each no matter space of grownup life they select, no matter path they select.
And I might guess such as you, I might need some that select to go to school nonetheless for a really specific function, but in addition others which may forge their very own path. And I feel it’s very lovely that we’re dwelling in a time when these are each very viable choices now. And some questions I’m very curious to your solutions on as we get near the top. The primary being if there’s a e-book or variety of books which have profoundly impacted you personally, and in that case, what they’re and why.
Lisa: Oh gosh, so I’m an avid reader, tons of and tons of of private growth books. I might say in all probability Assume and Develop Wealthy is without doubt one of the first ones that involves thoughts. as a result of it helped me to see, and I additionally did that, the Millionaire Thoughts Seminar, and that’s after I simply realized how conditioned we have been in quite a lot of methods.
Katie: I like it. I’ll hyperlink to that within the present notes as properly. The place can folks discover you and your lessons and let their youngsters profit from this as properly?
Lisa: So my web site, lisajendza.com, at all times has hyperlinks to all the pieces I’ve happening, together with the children web site, which is freedomkitchenkids.com. And fall lessons begin in September, each semester is 14 weeks. And I’m dwell on Zoom each Wednesday afternoon Jap Time. However I do this in order that I’ve a facet of help no matter the place a baby is or a mother or father. They will hop on Zoom with me each Wednesday.
Katie: Superior. I’ll put hyperlinks to each of these within the present notes for you guys listening on the go. Every thing can be at wellnessmama.fm together with the books we’ve talked about. And I do know you’ve quite a lot of academic assets accessible as properly. I’ll ensure that these are all linked. Any parting recommendation for the dad and mom listening as we speak that could possibly be associated to one of many matters we’ve talked about already or unrelated recommendation that you just really feel is necessary?
Lisa: Yeah, let’s permit the children to unravel the issues. The identical degree of consciousness that created the issues can’t resolve the issues. We now have to carry a special degree of creativity or power. So I say on a regular basis, a tradition of comfort can’t be a tradition of creativity. So stop searching for issues to be handy and permit them to create. And if I’ve one self-serving motive behind that is that I consider that our meals provide is in a really dire place and would be the best problem that the subsequent era will face. And I can be too previous to do something about it at that time. So if I can create leaders now, who’re conscious and who’re a part of the answer, then hopefully I can relaxation simple in my retirement years.
Katie: I like that and I like that quote, a tradition of comfort can’t be a tradition of creativity, that’s such a strong assertion and I like the work you’re doing. I’m so glad we received an opportunity to attach and I’m excited for my youngsters really to get to take a few of your programs. Thanks a lot to your time as we speak and for all the pieces you’ve shared.
Lisa: Thanks, Katie, it was such an honor.
Katie: And thanks as at all times to all of you for listening and sharing your most dear assets, your time, your power, and your consideration with us as we speak. We’re each so grateful that you just did, and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the subsequent episode of the Wellness Mama Podcast.
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