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Katie: Good day and welcome to the Wellness Mama podcast. I’m Katie from WellnessMama.com. And this episode is all a few practical medication tackle intestine well being, thyroid well being, and lowering autoimmunity with Dr. Amy Myers. And we go in a whole lot of instructions on this podcast. She is a two-time bestselling writer and internationally acclaimed medical and practical medication doctor who focuses on empowering these with autoimmune, thyroid and digestive points to take again their well being and reverse their situation. And he or she additionally did two and a half years with the Peace Corps in Paraguay.
And he or she set off on a journey that might lead her to later launch her now well-known practical medication clinic and her academic content material and line of packages that you’ll find on-line. And we go deep about a whole lot of her specialty on this, together with her personal drastic story with typical medication and why she feels it failed her and the way she’s vowed to assist it not fail individuals sooner or later. We discuss concerning the frequent triggers and causes within the rise of continual illness, why she defines autoimmunity as a spectrum and the commonalities amongst them, the right way to know the place you’re on the spectrum. She talks concerning the 5 elements that may contribute, that are toxins, infections, intestine points, weight loss program and stress, why three quarters of the triggers and causes will not be genetic and are inside our management to vary.
We discuss concerning the energy of the thoughts and the way a lot our interior voice pertains to well being, and he or she shares in all probability essentially the most profound instance of this I’ve heard. She talks about her 4 pillars of practical well being, the right way to tackle and take away toxins within the physique, how our intestine cells flip over each 24-48 hours to allow them to really restore in a short time, why we’d like a variety of meals for intestine variety, together with issues like greens, spices, and herbs, and when to keep away from fermented meals, the right way to know which plant meals are greatest to your particular genes and ancestral wants, how seasonal consuming might help with intestine well being, and the right way to apply the 80/20 precept to optimum dwelling. So let’s bounce in with Dr. Amy Myers. Dr. Amy, welcome. Thanks a lot for being right here.
Dr Amy Myers: Thanks for having me, Katie. I’m tremendous excited.
Katie: Me too, I really feel like this dialog is lengthy overdue and I’m extraordinarily excited to study from you at the moment. I believe to begin off broad, some background on you would possibly really be essentially the most useful place to begin for this dialog since you’ve mentioned that typical medication failed you and also you’re on a mission to maintain it from failing different individuals. And I believe your story illustrates a very profound motive why you do the work that you just do. So let’s begin there. How did you get into this, what’s now your complete world and this work that you just do?
Dr Amy Myers: Yeah, effectively, it’s a really lengthy story, however to make it brief, I grew up with dad and mom that had been very holistic. My father was a professor of Asian research. My mom taught yoga and jogged again within the 70s. And so if we had been ever sick, which was very not often, he took Chinese language herbs. My mom was very conversant in the microbiome, made home made yogurt once we had been little, home made complete wheat bread. So I type of grew up with this. My mom taught yoga, meditation, despatched me to Transcendental Meditation once I was in highschool. So I type of grew up in a, I wouldn’t classify them as hippies, however simply type of, you recognize, that sort of world.
And I went to varsity, thought I used to be gonna be a psychologist on the finish, determined that I wasn’t gonna try this and have become a banker of all issues. After which learn a e book known as, The Highway Much less Traveled, it actually resonated with me about type of going on the market and never doing what everyone else is doing. And for no matter motive, I at all times had a ardour to provide and to assist. And so I joined the Peace Corps really once I was 25. And on my method right down to the Peace Corps, I learn a e book by Andrew Weil, Spontaneous Therapeutic, and it bought me reinvigorated by way of pure therapeutic, herbs, issues like that. Taught myself yoga down within the Peace Corps.
Lengthy story brief, got here again and determined I needed to be a health care provider. I really moved out to Seattle to go to doubtlessly naturopathic medical college. And after working with some docs there, realized that even in Seattle, the standard docs and the naturopathic docs had been getting paid in another way and simply considered in another way. And I believed, effectively, that is sort of odd as a result of I’m out within the place the place they’ve this college they usually’re purported to be actually revered. And so anyway, I made the choice to go to allopathic medical college, however with the concept I might find yourself doing one thing holistic, pure on the finish of all of it. So I took all my electives of an integrative medication. I began a complimentary and different curiosity group. We even began a program on the college. I went to LSU in New Orleans.
And my second yr of medical college, I began getting panic assaults. I used to be shedding pounds quickly whereas consuming, you recognize, Ezekiel bread and vegan butter at evening, to not get up, two kilos thinner. And eventually had this tremor that despatched me to the physician and he or she brushed me off and mentioned, oh, that is medical college stress. Your second yr, you’re studying all these illnesses and also you simply assume you’ve got all of them. And I mentioned, wait a minute. I imply, I actually lived in the midst of nowhere earlier than cell telephones or something within the Peace Corps. My mom had died unexpectedly of pancreatic most cancers in 4 months proper after I bought again from the Peace Corps. It’s like, I don’t deal with stress like this. This isn’t stress, one thing’s improper with me.
So I demanded a workup and he or she known as me again a few weeks later and I don’t assume she actually apologized and he or she mentioned, oh, you’ve got Graves’ illness, which is an autoimmune dysfunction of your thyroid. And that was what was making all of my signs, the insomnia, the burden loss, all the tremor, all the pieces. And so I used to be given three horrible decisions. One was to have my thyroid blown up like Hiroshima. The opposite was to take actually poisonous medicine. And the opposite one was to have my thyroid lower out.
So I went again to my roots and I did Chinese language medication for a few months and I didn’t actually see a distinction in that. In the meantime, I used to be consuming a number of gluten and vegan cheeses. I used to be a vegetarian and on and off vegan for 27 years. After which in the end I succumbed and I mentioned, all proper, I’ll take the medicine. It appears to be the lesser of all of those evils. Inside a few weeks, I used to be feeling horrible. My pores and skin was dry, my hair was falling out, I used to be fatigued. Went again to the physician and I used to be instructed that I used to be one in one million and I had poisonous hepatitis from the medication. So I rapidly needed to get off of that. I practically needed to drop out of medical college as a result of I needed to go get in mattress and my liver was destroying itself from this medicine, and principally had to determine was I then gonna have my thyroid blown up or have it ripped out surgically.
I reached out to Andrew Weil, I seemed in all of the analysis, I may discover nothing that gave me another or pure strategy to this. So I made the toughest choice of my life and I had my thyroid radioactively ablated.
And after that, I used to be nonetheless in medical college. I graduated, I turned an ER doctor at Shock Trauma in Maryland, after which in the end an ER doctor right here in Austin, Texas. And… In the future I simply mentioned, I’ve bought to get again to my roots. I imply, although they, typical medication, handled my graves by blowing up my thyroid, and now I don’t have a thyroid, there’s gotta be one thing higher. I’ve gotta get again to. I went to medical college within the first place.
So I went to a convention about practical medication, which is absolutely attending to the foundation of why you’ve got sure circumstances, significantly autoimmunity and determining the right way to right imbalances at that route and in the end hopefully reversing or therapeutic, no matter’s happening with you. So that actually resonated with me and why I needed to go to medical college to start with. And so I dove straight in and finally opened up a world famend practical medication clinic.
I left the ER, wrote a number of books, that are behind me and, and, you recognize, went full power into practical medication and now helped actually a whole lot of 1000’s of individuals all over the world, however actually 1000’s of individuals with Graves illness reverse their situation and never need to do what I did. In order that’s why I say it’s my typical medication failed me and is my mission to not have it fail you too. In order that was a little bit of a protracted story, however that’s how I bought to changing into a practical medication doctor after which in the end now proudly owning a well being and wellness firm. As you recognize, Amy Myers MD.
Katie: Oh, and there’s so many particular instructions I wish to go on this, as a result of I do know there are lots of individuals listening who’ve some type of auto-immunity or thyroid points. There are positively individuals going by intestine points. And I additionally know that there are in all probability some frequent themes that run all through a whole lot of these issues. So I’d love to speak first about what you see as a few of the massive triggers or contributors to the rise throughout the board in a whole lot of these issues that we’re seeing actually in America, however in different components of the world as effectively.
Dr Amy Myers: So by way of all continual circumstances and autoimmunity, so I write about in my first e book, the autoimmune answer, I used to be the person who coined the phrase, the autoimmune spectrum. So by that’s, you’ve got somebody down right here with little to no irritation, and you then’re working your method up larger on the spectrum with extra irritation all the best way to full blown continual autoimmunity.
Now there are in all probability only a few individuals have completely no irritation as we all know, infants are being born with toxins and whatnot on this planet, however most of us sit someplace on this spectrum all the best way as much as continual illness or continual autoimmunity. And there are 5 elements that I write about in each of my books, and that’s toxins, infections, our intestine, leaky intestine, meals, since our weight loss program, and stress. And so I can stroll by every of those and the way they’ve actually all of those areas have exploded for many people. We all know that there are extra toxins on this planet than there’ve ever been, proper? We all know that now research with twine blood that there are lots of, many toxins already in utero when a child is born. So, and people toxins are growing each day. And in order for you, we are able to get into why that’s.
We’re, you recognize, a whole lot of youngsters are already being, infants are being born with leaky guts. Extra youngsters are being born with C-sections. Extra mothers are getting antibiotics, you recognize, when in utero and getting these toxins, consuming a weight loss program that’s inflammatory. So infants are already being born with, you recognize, little intestine microbiome or a disturbed microbiome with C-sections and simply, you recognize, how we’re going by the world.
Our weight loss program, we, you recognize, processed meals. We had been simply at an enormous water park yesterday and looking out round, I imply, the variety of those that I noticed that had been simply in weight. And I imply, I’m not even speaking trying match was only a few. So we’re already, you recognize, we’re many, many individuals in our society now are simply consuming very inflammatory diets with these overly processed meals. As you recognize, the wheat has been modified. And so there’s extra gluten in our wheat. There’s roundup in our meals. And so we’re already having inflammatory meals. Leaky guys had been having extra toxins.
We’re dwelling in a stressed world. We’ve got EMFs bombarding as we have now our cell telephones on always had been out there. The stressors going through us day-after-day of simply elevated as effectively. After which infections an increasing number of infections, proper? I imply, we noticed, you recognize, with the pandemic with Covid. I imply, we have now these Infections, whether or not they’re viruses, the Parasites, their micro organism, they’re changing into tremendous bugs, they’re changing into reactivated, they’re changing into, you recognize, they’re dwelling inside ourselves and presumably getting reactivated over time. How many individuals are you aware which have had COVID a number of occasions? So what’s that doing to our immune programs?
And positively, I hope on this dialog, we’ll get into the options as a result of I’d by no means prefer to, inform individuals massive, scary ideas and that, and simply to get them overwhelmed as a result of I’m actually a options oriented particular person.
However these are the issues that I see which might be actually contributing to autoimmunity and simply continual irritation that’s resulting in, weight problems that’s resulting in… dysregulation of our metabolism that’s resulting in diabetes, you recognize, all of those very continual and albeit preventable illnesses that we have now now.
Katie: Yeah, such as you, I believe this can be a very multifaceted drawback. And I like that you just take a multifaceted strategy as a result of I’ve seen many individuals wanna give attention to simply a type of areas. And positively if it had been simply weight loss program, I take a look at the information and say like, our diets really haven’t modified sufficient to justify the rise in weight problems, even alone or diabetes. There’s clearly many elements contributing, but additionally I do know, and I do know you converse to this lots as effectively. Such as you mentioned, there are lots of options and there nonetheless is potential to stay optimally when you’ve got the information to try this.
I additionally really feel such as you had been forward of the pattern, you and your dad and mom with the meditation facet, you talked about stress being an enormous issue. And never that that’s by any means a cure-all, however I might say the overwhelming majority of people that come on this podcast even talked about meditation as being a very priceless software. And we all know that like psychological well being and mindset additionally impacts our bodily physique and the analysis appears to only enhance on that. I might guess many individuals can also resonate with even your story of getting to demand a workup out of your physician. I hear from so many mothers and girls who know one thing’s improper and are disregarded. I had the identical expertise being instructed all the pieces’s tremendous, your thyroid is regular and having to demand very particular assessments to even get a solution.
After which from there to determine options largely by myself, as a result of I didn’t have a you shut by in my early phases that might assist me get there extra rapidly. So I like that we now have a lot extra data and other people such as you who’re serving to individuals get particular focused data. I’d like to go slightly deeper past, I like as an example, that you just outline autoimmunity as a spectrum. I believe that’s a very useful software versus a easy sure or no, do or don’t sort of reply.
However then inside that, there are such a lot of classes of autoimmunity. So are there frequent causes that may sort of present up within the physique in another way primarily based on genetics as an example, or do issues appear to line up with like particular triggers creating extra particular sorts of autoimmunity?
Dr Amy Myers: This can be a nice query. I imply, the analysis reveals that, you recognize, actually solely 20% is genetic primarily based. I imply, again within the day, we thought as all of us, I’m certain you’ve talked many occasions in your podcast about epigenetics. You had this gene, you bought this illness. We now know that these genes may be turned on and off, and these SNPs. And we all know that individuals, even with out the genes for Celiac, can really get Celiac. So it’s not all concerning the genes. In reality, about 75% of it’s these environmental elements that I simply talked about. And in order that’s really essentially the most empowering a part of all of this, is that’s in your management.
And that’s actually what I discuss in all of my books is about, as an alternative of getting encumbered by all of this data, take into consideration that, two thirds or three fourths of it’s in your management and issues that you are able to do to vary, which is how we’re capable of reverse autoimmunity.
So again to the autoimmune, I imply, I may see three individuals with, let’s simply say Hashimoto’s or Graves. And the explanation that these three individuals have that very same illness may very well be for vastly completely different causes. One may actually simply have a gluten sensitivity and leaky intestine and we get them off gluten, heal their intestine and their antibodies are reversing for Hashimoto’s.
The opposite may very well be that they’re in a, very traumatic relationship and a horrible job and stress is their largest set off they usually even have a gluten sensitivity. After which the third particular person may have all 5 of them. I imply, I do know that all through my lifetime and issues have come and gone, I positively had all 5. And by the point I used to be seeing individuals with seven, eight autoimmune circumstances, in fact they typically had all 5.
However in typical medication, as we’re taught to listen to a illness, identify the illness, give a drug, we’re not even thought to ask about what’s happening or search for the deeper root trigger. However even when we had been, I’m certain they might be saying, oh, effectively, it’s Hashimoto’s and these are your solely causes. And it’s merely not true. I imply, I noticed it day in and day trip in my clinic of simply, how persons are coming.
Now, I might say primarily based on the literature and the analysis of Alessio Fasano, given gluten and autoimmunity and the speculation behind molecular mimicry, and in case your listeners don’t know what that’s, I’m joyful to enter it, I do advocate that everyone who’s on the spectrum has antibodies or has really been identified with autoimmunity get off of gluten due to these cross-reactivity on this molecular mimicry. It’s so very robust, significantly with thyroid circumstances or autoimmune thyroid circumstances. In order that’s why I did point out gluten in every of these examples as a result of the correlation is so excessive that I do advocate everyone who has autoimmunity be off of gluten.
Katie: That is sensible. And positively like my dad and mom, as an example, have observed that change themselves as they’ve gotten older they usually benefited from going off gluten. Although I do hear from lots of people that discover in sure different locations on this planet, they really appear to just do tremendous with sure meals that they can’t eat within the U.S. And I’m curious in the event you’ve had expertise with that and if you recognize any of the the reason why is the meals provide that completely different in different places in comparison with the U.S.?
Dr Amy Myers: Yeah, so I too have heard that and I’ve traveled to Europe however due to my historical past and what I do know, I don’t tempt destiny and I don’t eat gluten once I’m in another country. I actually heard that point and time once more from sufferers in my clinic that they did that. However I additionally had a girl who was identified with polymyositis and he or she was doing very effectively. After which she went to Europe and he or she ate a bunch of gluten and didn’t really feel prefer it affected her however then she got here again and had a really massive flare. So in case you are identified with full-blown autoimmunity, I nonetheless wouldn’t advocate that you just try this. Nevertheless, the speculation behind that is that they’ve a lot, let’s simply take Europe for instance, a lot stricter legal guidelines about utilizing Roundup, about genetically modifying their meals. They’re utilizing historical grains. They’re not utilizing the identical stage of pesticides. On the whole, they’re consuming a more healthy weight loss program however apparently the wheat is extra of our historical wheat.
And simply to remind your listeners, so what occurred with our wheat is we didn’t modify it. We hybridized it. And once we hybridized it, it meant that this may very well be develop heartier, it may develop larger but it surely additionally had extra gluten in our wheat. And in order that’s actually a part of the issue is, and you then add Roundup on high of it, which is meant to, you recognize, enhance the permeability of your mind, your intestine, all the toxins with Roundup disrupt your microbiome, then we actually have this drawback, proper? I imply, it’s not, it’s that our wheat has extra gluten in it, it’s that it’s stuffed with Roundup, it’s that we’re dwelling with leaky guts, most of us, after which we’re consuming a lot extra gluten.
So it’s in all the pieces, not simply bread. It’s from our shampoos to the many of the sushi that has crab meat in it’s not actual crab meat, it’s really a glutinous, you recognize, it’s really all gluten to create this mock crab meat, for instance. So we’re simply getting uncovered on so many various ranges and in such a extra intense method than our dad and mom or actually our grandparents or nice grandparents.
Katie: And I’d like to now begin going by out of your ethos, the answer targeted type of information and contact factors of a few of these completely different circumstances. As a result of like I mentioned, I do know many individuals listening have or are experiencing a few of them.
And I might say going in a single unrelated tip that I at all times give at first of this dialog is I realized to shift my, even my speech and the way I discuss to myself from as an alternative of claiming, “I’ve Hashimoto’s”, I might say “I’m therapeutic from Hashimoto’s” simply because I really feel just like the mindset is a large piece as effectively. However on that be aware, I really feel prefer it’s actually useful to have the instruments to know the way we’re going to heal from these numerous issues.
And also you’ve talked about intestine well being as a foundational factor to a whole lot of completely different circumstances. So I’d love to begin there and listen to out of your perspective, what are a few of the key issues that individuals want to pay attention to and keep away from on the subject of intestine well being? And what are a few of the key type of universally useful issues we are able to do to enhance our intestine well being?
Dr Amy Myers: Yeah, if I could digress to 1 story that hints to your speaks to your talking to your self and it’s a very highly effective story of a girl in my clinic who had vitiligo and he or she had. She had moved right here from Africa and he or she labored and he or she had been below a really abusive excessive scenario and was capable of come into the nation due to that. After which she felt her want to provide again to the individuals of her nation that had been additionally my immigrating into, into the USA was to be an interpreter.
And what I realized from talking along with her was that she needed to, as an interpreter in a court docket of legislation, it’s a must to say, I this and I that not they, it’s a must to be the particular person to interpret. And so what I noticed after going by many visits with this girl and never making a whole lot of progress is that I believed that she was taking up every of these individuals’s tales by saying, I, I this, I that. So she was reliving, although it was their trauma, she was reliving it as if it was her personal trauma. And I urged that she wanted to surrender her profession or her job. She didn’t take that flippantly, however anyway, about six months later, she known as again or emailed me again and mentioned that she lastly did and her vitiligo was beginning to resolve. So it’s simply talking to what you had been saying and the ability of the thoughts of setting your self up for these, setting your physique, getting ready your physique in any respect ranges, getting ready yourselves for therapeutic. And that journey may be very completely different for everybody.
So again to the intestine. Properly, let me say that I’ve 4 pillars within the Myers method, which is this system that I got here up with after working with tens of 1000’s of sufferers. And the primary one is to eliminate gluten, grains and legumes. And I discussed the molecular mimicry with gluten grains. I do know legumes, you’ve in all probability talked about this extensively, can have anti-nutrient properties. They’ll have lectins in them, issues that may irritate the intestine. I used to be a vegetarian for 27 years. I imply, I had a whole lot of intestine dysbiosis happening.
After which there are infections reminiscent of Candida, SIBO which might be consumed carbs, even when they’re wholesome carbs as beans and rice and issues like that. So I do advocate that individuals give this stuff up, gluten indefinitely, however the grains and legumes, at the very least for days or longer until they begin, heal your intestine after which we are able to dive into you particularly. There’s a 4 hour program with therapeutic your intestine and we’ll dive into that and the specifics that I exploit.
Then we wish to tame the toxins and that’s actually about, look we stay in a poisonous world. So I like to recommend if you’ll be able to, to create an setting at house, at your workplace, wherever you’re spending most time, that filters these. How will we get toxins? Properly, we breathe them in, we get them in by our pores and skin and we ingest them in. So having HEPA air filters in your house in the event you can, having water filtration not simply at your faucet but additionally you recognize in your showers, utilizing all-natural toxin-free cleansing merchandise and wonder merchandise after which you recognize ensuring you’re consuming natural. So did I get by pores and skin, breathe, yeah okay.
And you then wish to work to get them out, that’s my two-step course of. So that you wish to, how do you get them out? You pee them out, you poop them out, you sweat them out. So that you wish to be sure you’re peeing and pooping day-after-day, you wish to be sure you’re exercising or doing infrared sauna, one thing to sweat day-after-day in the event you can. After which you recognize I exploit two dietary supplements that in fact we have now glutathione and coconut charcoal. So acetylated glutathione, that you must be sure that it’s acetylated. Some individuals use liposomal, I examined all of them in my clinic. I want an acetylated glutathione for me personally and what I noticed discovered work greatest. After which you recognize in order that pulls the toxins out after which one thing like coconut charcoal goes to bind it. So peeing, pooping, sweating each single day.
Then we wish to relieve our stress. I don’t say, you recognize, eliminate your stress or, you recognize, as a result of we stay in a traumatic world and you’ll’t simply say, okay, I’m not gonna be confused. You’ve bought to seek out methods to provide pause. So I’ve relieve stress and heal infections. And relieving stress is absolutely concerning the issues that we talked about. And look, I realized meditation, you recognize, 30-something years in the past and I don’t at all times try this day-after-day. So it’s discovering what works for you, proper? I imply, is {that a} stroll for me? I do a whole lot of swimming. It’s the one place, hyperbaric and swimming, it’s the one place no person can hassle me and get to me. So these are massive stress relievers for me, however that you must discover what works for you, your downtime.
After which the infections are these continual infections reminiscent of Epstein-Barr, herpes, these latent infections that may reactivate a continual Lyme and coping with these infections. And, you recognize, I can undergo some methods in order for you for these as effectively.
In order that’s the 4 pillars. After which again to therapeutic your intestine, which is likely one of the main components of one of many second pillar of the 4 pillar program. And there’s type of the 4R strategy, which I’m certain you’ve had lots of people speaking about. However once more, the very first thing is to take away. And what are you eradicating? It’s again to those meals. You wanna take away gluten, you wanna dairy. Gluten and dairy are the 2 most inflammatory meals, however sugars, processed meals, meals dyes, GMOs, I imply, you wish to get this stuff out of your weight loss program.
And most significantly, you wanna take away any infections which might be in your intestine. And that is completely different than these continual infections. That is SIBO, Candida, Parasites. And positively when you have auto-immunity, very uncommon, I noticed anybody that didn’t have one or each of these. They usually’ve now change into, in the event you’re on social media, everyone’s speaking about SIBO and Candida. I imply, again once I was, you recognize, you talked about I used to be one of many originals. I imply, I used to be, I imply, again once I was speaking about these things 10-15 years in the past, there weren’t many individuals speaking about this. And I noticed it extensively in my clinic, eliminating SIBO, eliminating Candida. We will additionally stroll by how, you recognize, I’m joyful to share precisely how to try this.
And you then wish to exchange something that’s lacking. So are you low in abdomen acid? Lots of people are, you recognize, they’ve been taking acid blockers. You want that acid to kill off Parasites. You want that acid to kill off SIBO, to kill off Candida. You want that acid, in fact, to interrupt down your proteins and the remainder of your meals. Do you want digestive enzymes? Lots of people are low of their digestive enzymes as a result of they’ve been consuming horrible continual diets, or they’ve been on continual PPIs, or different drugs which have, you recognize, prevented their precise, you recognize, their pancreas and their gallbladder from really working. So I changed these issues. Typically that’s briefly, typically that’s, you recognize, very long-term, however a whole lot of occasions as individuals start to heal, they will get off of those dietary supplements. However in my expertise, it’s, it’s, you recognize, it may be, you recognize, intensive on the, you recognize, complement and dietary way of life change at first. After which, you recognize, as you progress down the spectrum, you may see the place you may unencumber.
You wish to… you wish to re-inoculate with a very good top quality, excessive dose probiotic. Now, in the event you’re coping with Candida, I like to recommend we have now 100 billion unit probiotic. Should you’re coping with SIBO although, I like to recommend a soil-based probiotic as a result of SIBO is Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth and that may usually be an overgrowth of lactobacillus. And most traditional probiotics or top quality, no matter, have lactobacillus in them and ours do as a result of it’s the primary micro organism in our intestine. And in order that’s the place I differ on these two.
After which we really wish to, take away, reinoculate, effectively, I assume restore. And I’m doing that usually. Your intestine cells flip over each 24-48 hours. In order that they’re gonna restore usually on their very own. However I sometimes advocate that individuals do one thing to assist this course of jumpstart this course of. And we have now a product known as Leaky Intestine Revive. It’s really certainly one of our primary merchandise. And it’s 3000 milligrams of L-glutamine, which is the amino acid that helps your cells rejuvenate, but additionally what we have now within the product is a whole lot of various things that enable you to to provide mucus. So if you consider your intestine, what’s it? I imply, it’s a mucus membrane. And lots of people are lacking that mucus or have the mucus stage has been disturbed. So it’s slippery elm, marshmallow root, Deglycyrrhizinated licorice to assist your physique create extra mucus in your complete GI tract.
And so these are the 4 issues that I do to assist restore your intestine well being. And sometimes the following query is, do I’ve to do this stuff eternally? You already know, it actually will depend on the place you’re trying and the place you’re on that spectrum. And, you recognize, I take Leaky Intestine Revive, many, many days of the week. We stay in a poisonous world and I simply, you recognize, to maintain myself in addition to a probiotic and digestive enzyme, so.
Katie: Yeah. So I took so many notes on that. I like additionally that you just discuss that simplification course of that always it’s the taking away of the publicity and it’s not usually that we have now to essentially achieve this many sophisticated issues as soon as we perceive the issue.
And that I like additionally that you just discuss a lot concerning the physique type of being designed to heal and that it regenerates and that it’s meant to maneuver towards therapeutic if we help it in doing that. And that story you instructed about her interior discuss might be essentially the most profound instance I’ve heard of that. That’s unbelievable.
Additionally from a intestine well being perspective, I might love your sort of verify or deny from a health care provider’s perspective. There’s additionally been on like Instagram and TikTok, a whole lot of circulating discuss how we’d like variety in what we do devour to assist sort of tradition the precise steadiness of intestine micro organism. So that you talked about avoiding the triggers like gluten and dairy and legumes, but additionally it looks like a whole lot of us are consuming sort of only a very slender vary of plant meals and that we are able to profit from a wider vary of greens and vegetation and spices which have completely different advantages. Do you agree with that evaluation and issues like fermented meals being useful as effectively?
Dr Amy Myers: Yep, so the brief reply is sure, and I’ll get to fermented meals in a second, and if I get off on a tangent, please remind me. However so yeah, I imply, and in addition there’s even, relying on the place your ancestry’s from as to what microbiota is perhaps in several proportions inside your intestine, in your microbiome. So individuals who stay in Asia or descendants of Asia, Africa versus United States, are you largely European? There are ancestrally completely different microbiota, and so there are lots of assessments. I don’t know in the event you’re related to one like microbiome or Viome or some other place, so when you have one that you just advocate. Look, they’re all, it’s fairly new analysis, so there’s a whole lot of debate about how correct this stuff are. They are often useful although, however not solely would you like variety inside your personal intestine, you wanna just remember to’re getting the range that’s meant to your ancestral historical past.
And in order that may be very sophisticated, and understanding that, and so utilizing a few of these assessments, I believe that they are often good as a information. And sure, if we’re trying again to how we ate, our ancestors ate, they didn’t have the, as you recognize, stroll into the grocery retailer or Instacart and have somebody ship your contemporary berries to you all yr spherical. We ate a a lot wider number of a weight loss program and we stopped and began numerous issues relying on after they had been in season. And that allowed for variety simply inherently since you ate what was out there to you. So sure, I imply, look, all of us, even these of us on this world, proper, the place I consider I’m, actually we’re busy, we’re creatures of habits, we all know what we like. It’s tremendous simple, you select meal plans and also you repeat them time and again. However sure, ideally we’d all be consuming much more variety.
Again to the fermented meals, I consider that I differ right here than many individuals. And this once more relies on my expertise as a clinician working with 1000’s of sufferers, which is since most individuals, at the very least that I noticed with auto-immunity had been coming in with SIBO and Candida, I don’t advocate fermented meals proper off the bat. And this was a really, you recognize, paleo fx. I believe that’s the place you and I really met, you recognize, and I spoke there for a lot of, a few years, and I might at all times have individuals come as much as me afterwards and say, I began consuming all these fermented meals as a result of everyone right here is telling me to try this. And I bought all this fuel and all this bloating and I really feel depressing.
Properly, fermented meals is supposed to, I like to think about your intestine sort of like as a fish bowl. And it’s fish meals to feed all of the fish, that are the great micro organism and micro organism, I imply, unhealthy micro organism. You will have good micro organism, unhealthy micro organism, slightly little bit of yeast, possibly some Parasites in your intestine. In a great world, it’s dwelling there harmoniously in an ideal steadiness. When this stuff get out of steadiness, in the event you’re feeding in fish meals, then the Candida, the SIBO, they’re gonna eat this up as effectively. So that’s the excellent instance. Should you begin to take a prebiotic, you’re taking fermented meals and also you’re studying someplace and you’re taking that and also you get bloated, you’ve got fuel, you don’t really feel effectively, it may very well be that you just took an excessive amount of, however usually, and that you must begin off slowly, usually that to me tells me that you’ve got Candida or SIBO or each as a result of it’s feeding these infections.
So my advice for my sufferers and what I like to recommend in all of my articles is to carry off on the fermented meals and the prebiotics and all that stuff, eliminate these infections. When you’ve gotten rid of those infections, you’ve gotten your microbiome cleaned out to principally all the good things, then begin including within the fish meals, begin including within the prebiotics, begin including within the fermented meals and assist to flourish and reestablish and preserve that microbiome in steadiness.
Katie: And I do know that it looks like SIBO and Candida are recurring themes. I’m assuming you see these an entire lot in your clinic. Every other ideas particular to these and or simply signs that individuals would possibly… to concentrate to, that might be a sign that that might be a very good factor to see when you have.
Dr Amy Myers: Yeah, okay. So sure, after writing a thyroid e book and an autoimmune e book, the primary factor that individuals come to us for is SIBO and Candida. So I might love to speak about these.
So first, Candida is Candida overgrowth. All of us have slightly little bit of Candida, however that is when it will get overgrown. So what are some set off phrases for me? Mind fog. That if I hear mind fog, primary factor that I’m considering, apart from possibly gluten sensitivity, is Candida, unexplained rashes, itchy rashes, stuff you’ve gone to the dermatologist, they don’t know after they’re like put a cream on it. That always is candida. Psoriasis, eczema normally has a candida underline. In fact, when you have recurrent yeast infections, you’ve got recurrent dandruff, issues like that, that’s yeast. So, after which, so fuel, bloating, diarrhea, constipation, you may have any of those, however usually it’s these pores and skin points and the mind fog is the primary factor I consider.
How do I take care of candida? You go on a low carb weight loss program, a candida permitted weight loss program, and also you’re not, for my part, consuming these fermented meals. You’re positively eliminating sugars and carbs. After which what I exploit for my sufferers, we have now a candida package and program, so I created two dietary supplements. One, Candefense, and the opposite is Caprylic Acid. Caprylic Acid comes from coconut. It’s the acid within the coconut, so it sort of pokes these holes within the E-cell wall. After which the candefense is enzymes that digest the cell wall. And you then re-inoculate with actually good high quality excessive probiotics. We’ve got 100 billion unit probiotic. In order that’s my Candida.
SIBO is Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth. And the triggers that I hear there are bloating is absolutely the largest one. I awoke, my abdomen was flat. I ate one meal. I seemed six months pregnant. Rosacea is an enormous one for that one. After which the opposite is most individuals consider SIBO as having diarrhea, but it surely really may cause constipation in lots of people.
And there’s additionally a SIBO Hashimoto’s connection, as a result of when you have low thyroid, then your digestion slows down, the meals is left in your intestine longer, after which the micro organism there go in to digest they usually’re simply creating these completely different gasses. After which it’s additionally a 3 step program. The weight loss program is similar to the Candida one. In reality, you may principally use the identical and we regularly have individuals who come to us they usually’re treating each on the similar time and I’ll be joyful to handle how to try this as a result of it’s barely completely different if you’re making an attempt to do each.
So weight loss program, you wanna starve the yeast, I imply, starve the SIBO. You then wanna prune again the SIBO with microbe. We use a herb microbe clear. Now, in case you are seeing a doctor as a result of this has change into extra well known and there’s an antibiotic, Zifaxin, which I’ve taken a number of occasions. I’ve given it to my sufferers. It’s one of many few antibiotics I prescribe, very particular to the intestine. It does usually work very effectively. Nevertheless, it’s very costly and most insurance coverage doesn’t cowl it. In order that’s why I created the micro clear as a result of I had all these individuals in my clinic that might not afford to pay 1000’s of {dollars} for this antibiotic. I imply, some had been so determined. They did, however the herbs work very well. It’s, you recognize, berberine, wormwood, black walnut, a bunch of, herbs that simply type of pr wish to kill all of your good micro organism. An excessive amount of of a very good factor created a nasty scenario, to kill again a few of the you wish to re inoculate you re-inoculate as I said. So in the event you wanna deal with each on the similar time, what I like to recommend is it’s basically the identical weight loss program. After which you may take the MicroClear, the Caprylic Acid and the Candefenol all at one time. You may work your method up and we clarify how to try this. After which what you wanna do first is to take the soil-based probiotic and be sure you’ve gotten rid of the SIBO first. And upon getting, you’ll then take the billion unit probiotic after that. So it will be like a 30 days as an alternative of and are type of 30 days, you’re doing 60 days of all of this.
Katie: That is sensible.
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And I’m glad that you just introduced up enzymes as effectively, as a result of that was on my listing to ask you about. It looks like it’s not even simply what we eat essentially, but additionally how a lot we are able to digest and take in of what we eat. And it looks like I’m seeing extra in analysis and from individuals I do know such as you, speaking concerning the significance of enzymes, which may actually be useful as we become old, or if we have now particular circumstances particularly. I see that in minerals as recurring themes proper now. It looks like many individuals have struggles in each of these areas. Do you discover these are frequent in your sufferers as effectively?
Dr Amy Myers: Completely. So simply to be clear, the enzymes I used to be referring to within the within the candefense are enzymes that break down the yeast cell wall. However I sure, our digestive enzymes are certainly one of our high sellers as a result of so many individuals do have these points of getting been on continual drugs and whatnot. And I at all times mentioned in my clinic, it’s not the saying the previous saying that you just at all times heard you’re what you eat. It’s really you’re what you digest and take in. So there have been loads of individuals once more, as a result of they learn the books earlier than they got here or they met me at paleofx they usually had been already coming in consuming these actually good diets. However then I might do lab testing on them to have a look at their minerals, to have a look at their vitamin ranges, to look intracellularly at what was happening. They usually weren’t getting the advantage of this. So that you may be consuming the perfect weight loss program on this planet. However in the event you then can now not digest and take in it, when you have low abdomen acid and also you’re not breaking down the proteins into amino acids, you then’re not absorbing it. Should you don’t have what that you must break down carbs and fat, you will not be absorbing it.
Or, you recognize, when you have that after which it will get all the best way right down to your small gut and you then’ve bought SIBO disrupting it, or you’ve got leaky intestine and you then’re not absorbing these. So I imply, the intestine, I at all times say is the muse and the gateway to your well being. I imply, in case your intestine shouldn’t be functionally on all ranges at an optimum stage, you’re both have already got issues otherwise you’re going to have issues. And that’s the reason as a result of I converse a lot about this, despite the fact that I’ve written these different books, I believe individuals come to me for intestine as a result of I simply noticed it time and time once more, and individuals who had no digestive points. I imply, individuals who got here in and mentioned, oh, no, no, I’m consuming this nice weight loss program. You already know, I’ve two bowel actions a day. I don’t have any fuel. I don’t have any bloating. I’m tremendous.
After which we do a complete stool take a look at. We’d see their digestive enzymes are low. We’d see they’ve vegetable fibers of their stool. We see, you recognize, we see their amino acids are low. And I may see it in all of those practical labs, not typical labs, however practical labs of how, you recognize, they thought that their intestine was tremendous. They usually had been consuming this unbelievable weight loss program, however with out having their pure inherent potential to interrupt down and digest and take in issues, take in their vitamins, they had been then poor in these.
And, you recognize, by way of mineral deficiency, I believe that that’s in all probability twofold. One, our meals may be very completely different than it was for our ancestors. There are numerous, many research that I do know you’re conscious of, of. You already know, our soil shouldn’t be as nutrient dense because it was earlier than. So then the vegetation arising out of the soil would not have the identical stage of vitamins they used to have. After which once more, we’re dwelling on this poisonous world, our guts are leaky. In order that’s resulting in mineral and vitamin deficiencies. And it’s frankly why I like to recommend everyone take a multivitamin each day. I imply, I’ve an article on this about all the explanations everyone must be taking a multivitamin due to what we’re simply discussing, the soil, the nutrient stage in our meals, our leaky guts, our incapability to digest and take in.
Katie: Yeah, I’m glad that you just bought to elucidate that so comprehensively, as a result of I’ve puzzled if that is really one other lacking piece due to the depletion of our meals provide and why we’ll see individuals who look like in actually good well being who could have these random circumstances that appear to return out of nowhere. And it looks like at the very least a few of them may very well be linked to mineral deficiencies that individuals wouldn’t essentially even pay attention to. So I’m so glad that we bought to speak about that.
I’d additionally love to listen to any ideas that you’ll be able to simply type of usually give to your sufferers or that you may give listed below are type of the 80/20 that transfer us towards optimum or that appear to be comparatively universally useful. One I’ve given on right here time and again, as an example, is the significance of pure gentle, which is free. I’ve observed an enormous distinction even in my labs from getting morning daylight and slightly little bit of mid day, noon daylight day-after-day, which is sensible once we take into account that our our bodies have {an electrical} part and that we’d like gentle for thus many issues to occur inside our physique.
However I’m certain that you’ve got a way more complete listing. So for anyone who’s making an attempt to maneuver that needle towards optimum, what could be a few of the issues on that listing for you?
Dr Amy Myers: So I assume once we had been speaking about toxins, I didn’t end my considered saying that, you mentioned 80-20 and my thoughts simply went to the 80-20 rule. So let me go to toxins after which I’ll discuss weight loss program.
Toxins, so we have now a house, and I perceive not everyone can have this stuff, however we have now a house air filtration system, water filtration system, all of this stuff that I talked about, we solely eat natural in our home. And that’s in order that once I exit into the world, I make the perfect decisions that I can, however I acknowledge that I journey. I’ve a baby. We, you recognize, I used to be telling you, we had been at a water park yesterday. They mentioned no outdoors meals. We introduced outdoors meals. I imply, we simply defined we have now a whole lot of meals sensitivities, proper? So we’re not pressured to eat that meals, however then I’m in very chlorinated water, proper? I imply, I stay a life, but when in your personal setting, you may management what you may management, you then exit into the world and also you do the perfect that you may. However there’s no strategy to keep away from this stuff. And so I positively observe that as a rule. Like, you recognize, be as strict as you may in your personal house after which go benefit from the world and do the perfect you may if you’re on the market.
Now, on the subject of weight loss program, there are specific facets that I don’t, on the subject of auto-immunity and the hyperlink with gluten after which the molecular mimicry and the cross-reactivity of gluten with casein, I don’t advocate anyone with auto-immunity eat dairy or gluten. And so for me, these are non-negotiables it doesn’t matter what. Should you had a gun to my head, I might not eat gluten, or dairy, however so these will not be negotiables. However once more, I do assume it goes again to what you had been saying. Should you’re consuming natural or when you have the freedom or as you’ve moved your method down the autoimmune spectrum, it’s to not say I by no means eat sugar, it’s to not say I by no means eat corn, it’s to not say that I don’t ever eat grains or legumes. I’m in Texas, love some black beans and rice, however I do this stuff sometimes to the place that I do know once I’m ingesting my leaky intestine revive day-after-day or, taking my enzymes once I exit, I can do this stuff, proper? I’m effectively, however I’ve gotten hit with poisonous mould thrice in my life now. And I’ve moved up that autoimmune spectrum. After which I’ve bought to get again to very clearly doing issues, um, in a really deliberate method and being far more cautious than once I’m effectively and might, can return down, down the spectrum.
So I don’t know if that absolutely answered your query or in order for you me to consider another issues which might be free. I imply, stress reduction usually is free. My swimming is free that I do. Hyperbarics will not be, enjoying together with your little one, enjoying together with your pet, going outdoors in pure gentle, sleep. I imply, the one individuals say, how do you do all the pieces that you just do? Properly, it’s solely as a result of I do have a husband that if I must, if there’s one thing taking place with the canines or a daughter will get up in the midst of the evening, I want my sleep. If I don’t get my sleep, I transfer up that spectrum on autoimmunity. So sleep is free. Possibly everyone doesn’t have the identical help that I’ve, however sleep is a superb free useful resource that enables your physique to heal and permits your physique to detox. And I be certain that to the perfect of my potential that I get a stable eight, if not ten hours of sleep is what I want to essentially be optimum in my life.
Katie: Yeah, the virtually 700 individuals I’ve had on this podcast, I’m but to listen to a single particular person say sleep shouldn’t be essential. It looks like the one universally agreed upon factor. And such as you mentioned, sleep itself is free. There’s tons we are able to do to optimize sleep, which I are inclined to prioritize even in my funds as a result of we spend hopefully a lot time sleeping that I really feel like adjustments we make there have advantages and sleep makes all these different issues we’re speaking about a lot more practical as a result of your pure physique is ready to like rebuild and heal throughout sleep. So I like that as a common tip, one which positively can’t be overstated. So I like that you just introduced that up.
And as we transfer towards the tip, a couple of questions I like to ask. The primary being if there’s a e book or various books which have profoundly impacted you personally, and if that’s the case, what they’re and why.
Dr Amy Myers: Properly, the one which I considered if you, I knew you had been gonna ask me this query was M. Scott Peck’s The Highway Much less Traveled. I believed I needed to be a medical psychologist, however I learn that e book, in highschool, I consider. And I believe the factor about it for me is my life has been the highway much less traveled. I imply, as you talked about, I used to be actually one of many originals again in practical medication, talking about all of these items. And it’s a must to be courageous to try this. I imply, to be frank, I wrote an article simply actually quoting the CDC about issues you may do in lieu of a flu vaccine and bought reported to the medical board. And it was proper earlier than my first e book was popping out.
I do really feel between the Peace Corps, the Chinese language herbs, conventional typical medical college to then going to change into a practical medication doctor that I’ve actually embodied that in my life and simply encourage individuals to observe the highway much less traveled. I imply, fortunately for individuals like your self, you’ve got helped get the phrase out and broaden the message that practical medication and different issues can be found to individuals as an alternative of typical medication. So thanks very a lot for you following the highway much less traveled and getting that out, however letting individuals know that you just don’t have to be afraid to journey this highway much less traveled. And there may be nice profit on the finish of it that doesn’t contain a number of medication and a poor high quality of life. It really entails possibly merely giving up a pair meals, including in some daylight, therapeutic your intestine. And you’ll have an unbelievable life pain-free and drug-free.
Katie: I positively second that e book advice. And likewise thanks to the work of you and so many others who’ve helped make this message way more out there to everybody on the market. I do know I hear from so many mothers who at the moment are shifting into the practical medication strategy with their households, which is absolutely encouraging for me to see, as a result of I believe when the mothers begin making the shift, that’s when society actually begins to shift. And I do know you’re a mother as effectively. So I’m actually grateful for the work that you just’ve finished. And lastly, any parting recommendation for the listeners at the moment that may very well be associated to all the pieces we’ve talked about or solely unrelated life recommendation that you’ve got discovered useful.
Dr Amy Myers: That could be a massive query. However I believe the one factor that’s calling me at this second, and I don’t know in the event you’ve finished a podcast on hyperbaric, and I’m actually not a hyperbaric skilled, however I can simply converse to in the event you’ve hit a plateau in your autoimmune journey, and also you’ve been working with a practical medication doctor, and also you’ve adopted the issues that I’ve laid out at the moment, and also you’re not getting effectively, look into hyperbaric, I’ve seen essentially the most profound, therapeutic from hyperbaric of a girl who was in, I had a plateau with, she was in a wheelchair and it simply known as me and I mentioned, go do 20 classes of hyperbarics and name me again. And he or she was strolling once more.
I actually bought to a plateau in my journey at one level a number of years in the past, modified nothing, solely bought into hyperbarics day-after-day for nearly a yr. All of my autoimmune markers went detrimental, they’ve remained detrimental. I then bought COVID, thought I used to be getting Lengthy Haul COVID, 5 classes into hyperbaric and it was utterly gone. And positively anyone coping with lengthy COVID, I might extremely advocate hyperbaric.
So, that’s, you recognize, an increasing number of locations are popping up that you may go type of like a sauna and pay for a person session. This isn’t a plug and you’ll delete this, however you recognize, I’ve an Oxy-Well being one they usually have a hire to personal, you recognize, scenario in case you are in dire want. And in order that, I don’t know, I used to be simply known as to say that as a result of I really feel prefer it’s one thing that lots of people aren’t speaking about now. And I’ve seen some extremely profound, simply life-changing occasions with hyperbaric in the event you hit a plateau, or simply as a part of your journey of therapeutic, that’s actually unbelievable.
Katie: Superior. Properly, I do know you’ve talked about a number of of your books and merchandise at the moment. I’ll be sure that hyperlinks to all of these are within the present notes for you guys. Should you’re listening on the go, that’s all at wellnessmama.fm. I do know you even have a ton of academic assets out there in your website, so I’ll be sure you guys can discover these as effectively. Or in fact you may Google her identify and it’ll all come up. Thanks a lot for spending time at the moment, for attending to go deep on so many of those subjects and for the work that you just’ve finished for now many years, serving to 1000’s and 1000’s of individuals.
Dr Amy Myers: Properly, thanks a lot for having me and serving to me to get the phrase out. And I actually respect all the pieces that you just do.
Katie: Thanks as at all times to all of you for listening and sharing your Most worthy assets, your time, your vitality, and your consideration with us at the moment. We’re each so grateful that you just did, and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the following episode of The Wellness Mama Podcast.
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